Adrian Salbuchi was interviewed by Dr. James H. Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and host of "The Real Deal", who spoke at The National Library of Argentina on 11 September 2009. It was Fetzer’s second visit to Buenos Aires to participate in a 9/11 commemorative event.

Site of former Israeli Embassy in the corner of Arroyo and Suipacha Streets
in Buenos Aires.

The interview:

James Fetzer: My special guest today is Adrian Salbuchi of Argentina, host of the Buenos Aires radio talk-show, “Bienvenidos a la Jungla” (“Welcome to the Jungle”), and founder of the Argentine Second Republic Movement (Movimiento por la Segunda República Argentina).
He is author of several books on geopolitics, that include “El Cerebro del Mundo: la Cara Oculta de la Globalización” (“The World’s Mastermind: The Hidden Face of Globalization”) and “Bienvenidos a la Jungla: Dominio y Supervivencia en el Nuevo Orden Mundial” (“Welcome to the Jungle: Domination and Survival in the New World Order”).

Today, we are discussing the alleged terrorists attacks in Buenos Aires in 1992 and 1994.

Adrian, welcome to "The Real Deal"!

Adrian Salbuchi: Thank you, Jim. Good Evening to you, and thanks for having me on your show.

JF: Why don’t you give us a brief sketch of the two deadly attacks in central Buenos Aires, one on the Israeli Embassy in 1992 and the other, on the Jewish Community Center in 1994, to orient our audience.

AS: Argentina suffered its worst terrorist bomb attacks, which targeted two specific buildings in downtown Buenos Aires, the capital of Argentina, those years. The first took place in March 1992, and completely demolished the Israeli Embassy, with 29 people dead. The second one similarly brought down the headquarters of the AMIA Jewish Mutual Association in July 1994, and killed 86 people.

Both attacks took our country by surprise, as we had not seen such dreadful acts since Argentina was targeted by international guerrilla movements in the seventies, nor have we had anything like that ever since. We are, as a people, a veritable melting pot bringing together myriads of immigrants and ethnic groups living peacefully side-by-side with little or no racial or religious conflict.

These two attacks occurred under the administration of former president Carlos Menem, who was closely aligned with US global policies (George Bush Senior was President of the US at the time) and, by extension, with the policies of the State of Israel and of global Zionist organizations.

Notably, in both cases, the government and the media immediately placed the blame squarely on alleged “Islamic Fundamentalist Terror Groups” who were supposed to have used car bombs to blow up both buildings. As the years went by, however, any “Islamic Terror Group” links became weaker and increasingly ambiguous. Neither of the alleged car-bomb vehicles were ever found. Today, these two cases have become paradigms of systematic interference by a wide array of pressure groups acting upon our government, the courts and, through the media, on public opinion.

Notably, such leverage – extreme at times – was brought to bear by local and foreign Zionist organizations, local and international media, NGO’s, and “eminent individuals”, whose opinions bear much weight and – last but not least – the embassies of foreign powers, notably, the United States and the State of Israel.

JF: What were the differences between the explosions at the Embassy and at the AMIA, if they were not identical?

AS: Well, the earlier case involving the Israeli Embassy has suffered a gradual information black-out as time has passed for various “understandable reasons”, at least, from a Zionist standpoint. To begin with, because the target was the embassy of a foreign power, understandably Israel had a strong influence on actions that were taken and the dissemination of information.

However, the case for a car bomb melted away when the State Prosecutor and the Court hearing on this case invited technical specialist surveyors from the Argentine National Engineers Academy to determine what caused the Israeli Embassy building to collapse. Their conclusion was that the explosion took place from inside the building and was not caused by an alleged car-bomb. To make matters worse for Zionist pressure groups, a passer-by had filmed from several blocks away the mushroom cloud that rose from that explosion, a characteristic effect that also pointed to an internal explosion.

1992 bomb attack at the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires.

The embassy building was in a very densely populated part of Buenos Aires and, although the shock wave broke glass windows and plaster of practically all the buildings across the street from the Embassy – even blowing-in a vitreaux of a church across the street, which sadly fell on a priest and killed him – the only building structurally affected was the Embassy itself. Clearly, we either had a car bomb with an unrealistically selective shock wave or the explosion took place inside the building and there was no car bomb.

There are many other signs that point to this conclusion. Probably, for this reason, the case of the Embassy was mentioned less and less frequently by the media, especially after strong rumours surfaced that what actually blew up was an arsenal that the Israelis apparently had housed in the building’s basement. At the time of the explosion, a group of Israeli Labour Government officers were meeting to discuss matters pertaining to the recently initiated Madrid Peace Conference process, but “luckily” left the building just before the explosion. The same occurred with the Ambassador himself who, fortuitously, also happened to depart the premises before the blast.

A very different situation altogether has arisen with the circumstances surrounding the second and more deadly attack on the AMIA building, which has always received very high profile coverage in the local and even some international media to this very day. In contrast with the Embassy, this building housed a private, Argentine organization AMIA, and its sister political organization, DAIA. Those killed were all Argentine citizens, and the whole tragedy fell strictly under Argentine jurisdiction. And yet, on the very same day the explosion took place, then President Carlos Menem officially requested the assistance of the FBI and CIA from the United States and the Mossad intelligence service and the armed forces of Israel.

AMIA building after 1994 attack.

In the ensuing chaos amidst the rubble, tempers ran very high with local police when Israeli Army intelligence officers planted an Israeli flag in the rubble. Almost immediately, those same Israelis “luckily” found a piece of the alleged car-bomb – a white Renault ‘Trafic” van – that “luckily” just happened to have the manufacturer’s serial number on it. This was reminiscent of other highly unlikely but “lucky” finds, such as the FBI’s locating one alleged suicide bomber intact passport in the rubble of the World Trade Center just after 9/11!

From the beginning, the AMIA case has been riddled with corruption, fraud and lies, inconsistencies, even flagrant contradictions and crime in the highest places. The case has gone through seven Federal courts. A special “AMIA Department” was actually set up by the Judiciary to house literally hundreds of thousands of pages of declarations, evidence, reports, surveys, studies, accusations and counteraccusations that have built up over the more than fifteen years that have lapsed since the attack occurred.

For a number of years, the case was heard in the District Court presided by a Federal Judge by the name of Juan Galeano, who was so weak – if not downright stupid – that he allowed himself to be coaxed and pressured by local Zionist organizations – the AMIA and DAIA themselves – into authorizing payment of a 400,000 USD kickback to a shady used-car dealer by the name of Carlos Telleldín, who had sold the alleged car bomb van to alleged Hizbollah operatives in return for his formally accusing three Buenos Aires Police officers of being the “local connection” that would lead first to Syria, then to Hizbollah, and finally to Iran.

The money for that 400,000 USD kickback was provided by the then-president of the DAIA, Rubén Beraja through his (now defunct) bank Banco Mayo. Beraja recently spent several years in jail because of the fraudulent collapse of that bank. But, to understand how these global power networks actually work, let me point out that before that, in 1996, when Paul Volcker set up a so-called “Commission of Eminent Persons” to “investigate” dormant Jewish accounts in major Swiss Banks – through which they extracted more than 1.25 billion USD from those banks –, he (Volker) actually chose as one of the “eminent persons” to sit on the Commission the very same shady character, Rubén Beraja.

The corruption, wheeling and dealing got so bad that, under the Kirchner government, it was decided to scrap everything and “start from scratch”, which we would soon discover actually meant using the CIA and the Mossad to fabricate false accusations against Iran. That’s where we stand today.

JF: You mention the official accounts maintain both attacks were caused by car bombs. But my impression is that the explosions were just the opposite – that they both occurred from the inside out. Is that right?

AS: That’s what the technical experts say. And, if we use common sense, we all know that, every time there is an attack with real car-bombs, you always find large parts of the vehicles used by the terrorists. In these two attacks, however, nothing was found of either of the alleged bomb-carrying vehicles except for false evidence apparently planted by Israeli officers, as I mentioned above.

In the case of the AMIA, the Court asked a Border Police (Gendarmería) surveyor to give an “official opinion” about the alleged car-bomb van and this person, by the name of Commander Osvaldo Laborda, officially said that no more parts were found “because the explosion buried it deep under the entrance to the former AMIA building”, if you can believe that.

Now, I’m a close friend of defence lawyer Juan Gabriel Labaké, who represents two Argentine citizens of Syrian descent who have been falsely accused of involvement. (I say “falsely” because, after 15 years, not a shred of evidence has been brought against them.) Since the case against his clients and against Iran hinge on that elusive car-bomb van, Dr. Labaké recently asked Special State Prosecutor Alberto Nisman to dig four meters under the entrance to the former AMIA building in order to determine, once and for all, if the remains of that vehicle exist. Prosecutor Nisman refused to do so, which is not surprising when you consider that he tours the world spreading a fanatically pro-Israel and anti-Arab message regarding the AMIA attack.

At the end of 2007, for example, Mr. Nisman was a special guest at the Annual Meeting of the American Jewish Congress. In March 2009, he gave a presentation at the Queensborough Holocaust Library in New York City. At the end of 2008 he personally submitted a full report on the status of this case to the Supreme Court - not of Argentina, as you might expect, but of Israel in Tel Aviv. Clearly, Mr Nisman acts as Special Prosecutor not on behalf of Argentina but of the State of Israel!

JF: In the aftermath of the Embassy Attack, you mentioned that a professional engineering society undertook research and determined that the explosion was from the inside. Is that right?

AS: Yes, the Argentine National Academiy of Engineers reached that conclusion and when then Supreme Court Judge Adolfo Vazquez quite reasonably accepted its report, he was publicly rebuked and even insulted by Mr. Ram Aviram, Israel’s ambassador to Argentina.

JF: Adrian, you also mentioned that the Mossad participated in gathering information on one or both of these attacks. That, to me, is simply incredible. How did that come about?

AS: Well, the real culprit was former president Carlos Menem who deferred to Israeli, Zionist, and US pressure and actually “called on the US and Israel” to help in the investigation, to which both willingly agreed.

JF: You have explained that the Mossad even produced a part of a vehicle, which just happened to include a vehicle identification plate?

AS: Yes, as unikely as that sounds. This “evidence” was finally rejected by the Court when it became so flagrantly obvious that it had been planted at the scene of the crime. They then came up with several other pieces of “the car-bomb van”, which, when sent to the local Renault plant for verification, turned out to belong to two different vehicles, one of which apparently didn’t have a fuel pump installed, so it could have hardly gone anywhere!

JF: How embarrassing! How did the Argentine courts handle this? Were even the courts deferring to US and Israeli interference?

AS: It was shameful. The courts were accommodating to Israeli and US interference. The media whipped up a huge frenzy. The Zionist organizations set up one teary-eyed public manifestation after another wailing for “justice”, asking for “Memory” lest the world forget these attacks -which you couldn’t if you tried! - and accused the Argentine judiciary of being “non-performing, inefficient, sluggish” when they did not immediately perform as required by Zionist objectives and interests, i.e., flagrantly accept all falsifications and lies.

The best example of what I say is the one I have referred to regarding pro-Zionist Judge Galeano. Can you imagine a Federal Judge authorizing that a jailed criminal be given a kick-back to falsely incriminate the local police and thus mislead the entire case? On top of it, the money for the kick-back was provided by the president of AMIA’s sister organization DAIA!

JF: In Argentina, many citizens believe that the AMIA case is riddled with corruption, irregularities and false information. From what you have said, I take it that this is indeed the case.

AS: Unfortunately! But this was on account of a very sad combination of our having a weak government and weaker collateral institutions - especially Argentina’s judiciary - an accomplice press, which systematically supports the Zionist Message and helps them publicize their victim-like woes, in order to attract the sympathy of public opinion. This is true in Argentina as it is in most Western countries.

Today, under the Kirchner government, Zionist pressures have managed to twist Argentina’s foreign policy way out of shape - so much so that the Argentine government has formally accused former Iranian president Ali Rafsanjani and seven of his key cabinet members – which by the way includes president Ahmadinejad’s recently named Defence Minister Ahmad Vahidi - on trumped-up charges of having financed and planned the AMIA attack via Hezbollah. All these allegations are based exclusively on blatantly false intelligence provided by the CIA and Mossad. Can anyone actually believe that these two intelligence services are impartial and objective? The siutation is a farce.

JF: Adrian, why were there such unlikely "official accounts" in the first place? My impression is that politics was affecting the investigations – actually dominating them.

AS: The Argentine Courts have spent 15 years searching for proof of an “Iranian – Syrian – Hezbollah Connection”, which they have never found, for the simple but powerful reason that such a link does not exist.

However, both terror attacks fall quite neatly into place in a much more logical way when you insert them within the rationale, not of a non-existent “Iranian Connection”, but rather of a very concrete “Israeli Connection”.

Why do I say this? Well let’s take a look of what was happening in Israel in the early 90s when these attacks took place. In 1991, we saw the Madrid Peace Conference begin. In Israel, the Labour party clearly had the upper hand, especially when General Yitzhak Rabin became prime minister. By June 1992. Rabin seemed to have honestly tried to reach some sort of mutual agreement with the Palestinians, which, however, would have meant stopping and dismantling a good part of the illegal settlements set up by the fanatical fundamentalist ultra-right wing Nazi Zionists, who maintain that anyone that gives up even a square inch of “Sacred Israeli Land” is a traitor.

Rabin and his Labour party tried to move forward with the peace process and, in September 1993, we saw Rabin - albeit, reluctantly - shaking hands with Yasser Arafat as overseen by Bill Clinton in the White House Rose Garden. He then reached out to Syria to arrange final peace terms over the Golan Heights. Rabin even allowed Arafat to return to Palestine after 27 years of exile, which took place at the beginning of July 1994.

Baruch Goldstein

To put it mildly, the ultra-right wing Zionists went berserk. In February of that year, a New York Jew by the name of Baruch Goldstein, a member of the fanatic Kach Group, broke into a Hebron Mosque and machined gunned more than 40 Muslims while they were at prayer. “Surprisingly”, he had passed through Israeli “security” with no trouble! Goldstein was killed in turn; and his tomb in Israel has since become a place of pilgrimage and worship for the ultra-rightwing Zionist Nazi’s.

Look at the timeline: on 14 July 1994, right smack in the middle of the unfolding of this insidious internal fighting amongst Zionists and inside Israel, the AMIA building was blown up. AMIA’s leadership at that time was pro-Labour, so it was clearly a “warning shot” from the ultra-right Nazi-Zionist wing for Rabin and his Labour government to stop negotiating “Land for Peace” with the Palestinians.

It now appears that prime minister Rabin, who was a tough guy, did not “get the message”. So, when does this whole sequence come to a head? On 4 November 1995 - just 16 months after the AMIA attack - Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was gunned down, JFK-like, on the streets of Tel-Aviv, not by a Neo-Nazi nor by an Islamic Fundamentalist, but by one Ygal Amir, a young ultra-right-wing student member of the settler’s movement linked to the internal security service Shin Beth, which was being vigorously reshuffled by Rabin.

Shimon Peres then stayed on as prime minister for a while, but when elections were finally called, the Labour Party was swept away and the right-wing Zionist won the day, when Benjamin Netanyahu was ushered in as prime minister in 1997. The ultra right has been in power ever since, with Ariel Sharon, Ehud Olmert and now, once again, Netanyahu.

The in-fighting among Zionists had as one of its bloody episodes the bombing of the Israeli Embassy and later the AMIA building in Argentina, which was perceived by the Zionist Nazis at the time as a symbol of Labour’s stronghold. Why Buenos Aires, you might ask? Simple - because Argentine public security has always been, and still is, very weak, thus making both terror operations relatively easy with Argentine targets.

Nevertheless, and similar to 9/11, although they have shown the technical capability to carry out false flag attacks with (almost) technical perfection - using bombs, controlled demolitions, and all - they still are extremely sloppy in that they have left their fingerprints all over the place when perpetrating these attacks which have been revealed by inconsistencies that have proven impossible to explain away.

JF: I am troubled by what you have had so say about the courts and the media. Not only have the courts been partial but the coverage has been anything but "fair and balanced".

AS: The problem with Argentina is that over the past forty years our Nation-State has eroded so badly that it has ceased being a Sovereign Institution and become a highly dependent Colonial Administration entity. Now, how can you expect a totally dependent nation like Argentina to have an “independent judiciary”? No way. Our judiciary does the bidding for those people who really control and run the country, where a global power network of think tanks, NGO’s, lobbies and pressure groups has the final say.

This network includes not just entities like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Conference, and Chatham House, but also embedded within it are The World Jewish Council, AIPAC, the B’Nai B’Rith Masonic Lodge, the World Zionist Organization, the ADL, and the American Jewish Congress, among many, many others. It is this power network that calls the shots and twists our government’s arms!

Harvard professor Stephen Walt and Chicago University professor John Mearsheimer in their watershed book “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”, have convincingly shown that Zionist organizations control US Foreign policy in the Middle East. Their work has been widely admired abroad but given scant notice in the United States itself.

If this consortium wields such power over the US, can you imagine what it can do with a weak country like Argentina? Naturally, the global think-tank network also drafts what the global media should report and say. They are those who decide who will appear as “good guys” and who as “bad guys” on CNN, Fox News, The New York Times, Washington Post, Financial Times, and so on. More still, they are the ones who decide what is and what isn’t news!

JF: These two cases took place under the administration of President Carlos Menem. Since then several presidents have come and gone. Over the last 6 1/2 years, your country has been governed by the Kirchners (Nestor and Cristina). How have they been handling this case?

AS: Dreadfully! Before leaving as president, Nestor Kirchner practically imposed his wife, Cristina, as his successor in the presidency. Before that, she was a senator who sat on the commission investigating the AMIA attack and she appears to have struck up a very close relationship with Zionist organizations.

President Cristina Kircher in a meeting with Zionist groups.

A year before they changed places, then President Nestor Kirchner, his wife Cristina and Foreign Minister (then and now) Jorge Taiana, held a secret meeting in the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City on 21 September 2006, with eight major Zionist pro-Israel organizations, including The American Jewish Congress, B’Nai B’Rith, ADL and others.

We don’t know what they discussed because, as I say, it was held in secret; but, one month later, the Kirchners dispatched special prosecutor Alberto Nisman to the US, where he met with CIA and Mossad agents and, upon his return, launched a formal accusation against the former Iranian government of Ali Rafsanjani. The judge hearing this case at the time, Dr. Rodolfo Canicoba Corral, immediately obliged by accepting it.

This was headline news and prompted Rabbi Israel Singer, the political director of the World Jewish Congress, to “congratulate the Argentine government” as Argentina’s accusation against Iran “confirmed the commitment the Kirchners undertook during that secret meeting”. Commitment? To do what? Why? In exchange for what? [1]

I personally wrote open letters to the Kirchners asking for an answer. Naturally, they would never even acknowledge receipt to any letter sent by a “common citizen”. That’s Argentina’s “democracy” for you! A country where a president can do all sorts of treacherous wheeling and dealing with foreign powers in broad daylight and there’s nothing that the “common citizen” can do to stop them!

JF: Have Zionist lobbying groups and organizations been exerting massive pressure?

AS: Yes. They wield decisive power, not just over foreign policy, as we see in the case of the AMIA, but over our media, banking, government, universities, NGO’s, cultural and social life. Yet, official Jewish sources indicate that there are a mere 200,000 Jews living in Argentina - just 0.5% of our population of 40 million people. Either they are truly a superior ethnic group, which would warrant their being so very heavily over-represented in Argentina’s social life, or maybe - just maybe - they are abusing their well-known economic wealth and international support from Zionist organizations and the global power network to which I have I referred, which is fully aligned to Zionist objectives and interests.

JF: What are the domestic and international political interests that have been clashing over these two cases since their occurrence?

AS: I think we must see this all as part of the Israeli and US hawks’ war-mongering, which in recent years has so unabashedly targeted Iran, where every day we hear new threats of unilateral military attack against a peaceful nation, which, by the way, has never attacked nor invaded any other country in modern times, something we can hardly say about the US and Israel – even though JFK had affirmed that the US would never attack another nation. [2]

Iran not only has never attacked any other nation but has been repeatedly attacked by “The West”! For example, in 1941, Churchill and Stalin invaded what was then Persia to grab its oil so they could fight their war against Hitler. In 1953, Iran’s democratically-elected President, Mahmoud Mossadegh, was ousted by a CIA-orchestrated coup after he nationalised foreign oil companies. And, when in 1979 Iran finally got rid of what had been pro-US/UK oil companies under Shah Pahlevi, the US armed then ”good guy” Saddam Hussein with chemical WMD’s so Iraq could wage a brutal and genocidal war against Iran for 8 years during the 80s. It’s quite a record!

JF: What has been the reaction of the Jewish community in Argentina to these two purported attacks, which have been blamed on Iran?

AS: Local Zionist Jews - and non-Jews alike - have been hysterically pro-Israel and anti-Iran/Muslim. Sadly, while there is a substantial portion of anti- or non-Zionist Jews in Argentina, but they dare not open their mouths beause they know that, if they do, the local Zionist lobbies – with AMIA and DAIA at the helm – will immediately brand them as “bad Jews”.

We have been asking the healthy part of the local Jewish community to stand up and against AMIA, DAIA and the Israeli Embassy, saying that they have NO right to say they “speak on behalf of all Jews”. We insist that they should speak up and speak for themseles. As a form of self-preservation, however it seems their mental bonds and fears are too strong to break. Consequetly, not a lot can be expected from this segment of the community.

Demonstration against Avigdor Lieberman’s visit to Argentina (Buenos Aires, 23 July 2009).

JF: When we ask, "Who benefits?", it is not Iran but another nation in the Middle East, one that has a substantial nuclear arsenal but which has never been challenged by the UN. Why is that?

AS: Yes. All these events, lies, distractions, misleadings, wrong directions and wrong turns seem to have one sole beneficiary: the State of Israel. It has always been that way - and that is grossly unfair to Argentina where all ethnic groups and races live peacefully together. Clearly, we need to better identify the rotten apples in our barrel.

JF: These events appear to me to have been orchestrated with the objective of undermining technical and scientific cooperation between Argentina and Iran in relation to the development of peacefull atomic energy. Iran would never have committed such attacks because it would have been contrary to its interests. Israel appears to me to be the culprit. Am I right that you agree?

AS: Yes. In fact, Argentina was always in the forefront in our region on nuclear investigation and technology. This all goes back to the shrewd policies of former president Juan Domingo Perón, who, irrespective of his mistakes, always had the nation’s interests very much in mind. As soon as Carlos Menem came to power in 1989, he bowed down to George Bush Senior’s pressure and halted the nuclear technology cooperation agreement we had with Iran at the time.

The Iranians meanwhile seem to have been able to replace this with Chinese, Russian and even German technology; so the real looser was Argentina, who lost a loyal trade partner and a strategic ally in Iran. The cover up story invented by the CIA, Mossad, Israel, AMIA, DAIA, the Kirchners and others, would have you believe that President Rafsanjani planned the attack on AMIA in revenge for Argentina having discontinued its nuclear cooperation. All I can say is, that is a lot of rubbish!

JF: What similarities do you find with other attacks in the US on 9/11, in the UK on 7/7, and in Madrid on 3/11?

AS: Well, they all seem to have the same “fingerprint” so to speak. As I say above:
• these false flag events all had near-perfect technical performance, where the buildings they wanted to be blown up and collapse, always did so - reflecting massive technological support and planning;
• but they left “loose ends” that were impossible to explain-away - their lies ended up showing glaringly;
• they all had episodes of planted evidence;
• the “right people” - common workers - died, while top brass - ambassadors, CEOs, governors, billionaires - were “luckily” out of the buildings at the time; and,
• finally, they all served to support the “Global War on Islamic Terror”.

In short, all of them played perfectly into Israel’s circumstantial needs and objectives: they all had the “right” media coverage, and “politically correct” explanations, which were repeated ad nauseam. Yes, AMIA and the Israeli Embassy belong in the same league as 9/11, 7/7 and Madrid! [3]

JF: How do these two attacks tie in with a grander global strategy on the part of Zionist powers?

AS: As I mentioned, Zionist lobbies, power groups, and NGOs are part of the highly complex, intricate network of a discreet - not secret - Global Private Power Network that seems to have been running the world over the past 6 or 7 decades.

I’m referring to the CFRers, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, AIPACs and World Jewish Congress, among many others, including AMIA and DAIA in Argentina. It is this power network that carries out the long-term planning for the New World Order power elite.

Look at the CFR, for example: they are 4500 members-strong, brainy people in all professions, all led by a compact group of the truly powerful folks - the Rockefellers, Bushes, Harrimans, Schiffs, Clintons, Warburgs, Greenspans, Goldman Sachs’, Forbe’s, Rothchilds, Wolfowitzs, and many, many others.

The CFR provides the key people and whiz kids who sit on the boards and run Corporate America’s S&P 1000 as CEO’s and other key posts, but they also run your major banks, and they always run multilateral agencies like the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO, and they also run the FED. When I say “run” I mean there is always a CFR/Trilateral man or woman at the helm. But they also run your key media outlets, and they determine the politically correct paradigms in academic life (Ivy-League universities) and – perhaps, most important – they are systematically in charge of key governmental posts of executive power, State Department, Treasury, Defence, CIA, FBI, NSA, key embassies, key Congressional posts, and so on - whether Republican or Democrat matters little.

JF: That is a powerful indictment. Can you elaborate on the reasoning that supports it?

AS: Let me explain this in another way. I like classical music, and when you go to the theatre to hear Beethoven’s 9th Symphony “Chorale”, for example, what do you see? 100 musicians, 4 soloist singers, and another 100 in the chorus on stage. All are ready to produce the right sounds and music of Beethoven. But before they can begin, one last man shows up, takes a bow, gives his back to the audience and with a little stick makes the magic of Beethoven happen.

He stands right in the middle of the orchestra pit and can hear exactly how everything sounds and must ensure that it sounds right - the way Beethoven wanted it to sound. Then it often happens that the brass plays too loud, or the violins too low, or a singer might loose his way - but he, the Conductor, makes sure that the first violins, second violins, violas, cellos, basses, woodwinds, brass, percussion, soloists and chorus, each do “their thing” at the right time, with the right level and all in perfect unison.

But he does not do things at his whim - never, sir; he conducts based on a piece of paper which has the musical score to Beethoven’s symphony on it, with very precise directions as to tempo, volume, and so forth. In other words, the conductor directs exactly what a man who died in 1827 – Beethoven - wanted him to direct.

This metaphor helps us understand the inner workings of the present world order: the counterpart of each instrument/singer are the corporations, banks, multilateral agencies, organizations, media outlets, government posts, military commanders, and so on, who actually run the world. The conductor here would be the compact global power network or web of think tanks/lobbies/pressure groups. The musical score is the long-term plan of the truly powerful who run this world. It is a shame that instead of producing beauty as Beethoven and our musicians do, they create a monstrous world based on violence, injustice, greed, war, blood, sweat and tears!

JF: What does the Argentine public currently think about all this?

AS: Nothing! Almost nobody understands how the world really works! And not just here. The same happens in the US, Europe and mostly everywhere. That’s why it is so important to awaken people to this reality, even if we have to do it one by one.

JF: What is Argentina’s place within the scheme of "The New World Order"?

AS: Oh, we have been earmarked as suppliers of cheap commodities – energy, mining, foodstuffs, and water – and maybe some suitably oriented good New World Order trained whiz kids to help run the show for them - to become their well-paid managers.

This is why Argentina has been kept artificially underpopulated. We have the world’s 8th largest territory, and yet our population is around only 40 million people. We should be 140-240 million! Even worse, 80% of the population is crammed into a handful of mega-cities: Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rosario, Tucumán. Especially the southern part of Argentina – oil, mining and water-rich Patagonia – is all but uninhabited.

Water-rich Patagonia.

Zionists have set their eyes on Patagonia - both on the Argentine as well as Chilean sides - for many years now, as they probably plan on setting up a second Jewish State there. The founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, actually mentioned this in his book “A Jewish State” published in 1896, which set off the Zionist movement. The title of one of its chapters says it all: it’s called “Palestine or Argentine?” I leave the rest to your informed imagination!

JF: You have sketched a plan for economic and military global domination. Am I right and, if so, what can we do about it? Where do we go from here?

AS: Yes. They are aiming at setting up a formal World Government which is to replace Globalization. Globalization has all the trappings of a world government, however it is still Informal.

Yes. They are aiming at setting up a formal World Government which is to replace Globalization. While globalization has all the trappings of a world government, it is still informal. Major changes are on the horizon.

“Coming events cast their shadows forwards”, German playwright Johann Goethe once said. Having an inkling of what’s coming is sort of like putting together a jigsaw puzzle where as you put the pieces together - an image starts to appear. Now, if, as you are doing this, the front side of a boat appears, you don’t need to be a genius to know that what you have to look for are the remaining pieces of the boat! Out of sheer common sense, you will not look for the back of a train or a house: it’ll no doubt be a boat. Any blue pieces will probably be sky - so move them upwards - and the green ones will be grass - so move them downwards. As you do so, the image will become more and more complete. You need only have about 60% of the pieces in place to have an idea of the whole picture. It’s the art of using common sense to infer the pieces that are missing. Same with this New World Order, you don’t need to have all the pieces in place to know what it will look like.

Based on this, I say that what is coming will be a FORMAL public world government run from a higher PRIVATE level. I envision it will have several specialized key centers: New York City (as Financial Capital of the World), Washington DC (as the Military Administrative Capital of a Global Armed Force), London (as the Political Capital, the “World’s Mastermind” as I call it, as it has always been), Rome (or rather, the Vatican, as the “World’s Religious Ecumenical Clearing House”, which explains why many decadent clergy under Joseph Ratzinger are so eager to blend-in in as “politically correct” a manner as they can, into the New World Order), and finally Jerusalem will be the “Spiritual Capital” of the world, where the NWO Zionists plan on executing their centuries-old dream of enthroning the “King of the World”.

This last part ties in with certain Biblical prophesy they wish to make “come true”, and which Zionist Christians in the US link up with the “Second Coming”. “Proof” of this, they say, is the return of the Jews to Israel. Now they need to (re)build the Third Temple of Solomon. The problem is that the Dome of the Rock Mosque, one of Islam’s most holy shrines, sits on that site. I wonder if there’s another bomb on the way there?

JF: Adrian, I can’t thank you enough for coming on the show to discuss these events, which, in my view, shed light on a host of related events in the United States and elsewhere. We must understand them if we want to remain free of manipulation by forces that want to control us. For more of Adrian Salbuchi’s research, visit his web sites at and at For those who want to make direct contact, email him at


(*) Related articles:

 Washington veut réécrire les attentats de Buenos-Aires (Washington wants to reinvent the Buenos Aires attacks), by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire Network; 13 July 2006.
 L’Effroyable Imposture 2 - Manipulations et désinformations (The Big Lie 2 - Manipulation and Disinformation), by Thierry Meyssan, Éditions Alphée - Jean Paul Bertrand; 2007.
 Se acusa a los musulmanes de los ataques a AMIA y la embajada de Israel sin pruebas (Muslims have been accused of the attacks against AMIA and the Israeli Embassy without any evidence), by Juan Gabriel Labaké, Voltaire Network; 4 September 2006.
 ¿Musulmanes o pista israelí? (The Muslim or the Israeli trail?), by José Petrosino and Oscar Abudara Bini, Voltaire Network, 22 July 2006.

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[1See document attached: Letter of September 30, 2009, from Hector Timerman, Argentinian Ambassador to Washington, to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

[2John F. Kennedy, American University Commencement Address, 10 June 1963. Bush and Cheney needed 9/11 as pseudo-justification for their illegal wars.

[3An even earlier case occurred in Mexico where Mossad agents were arrested attempting to bomb the Congress on 10 October 2001. That would have made it a 10/10 attack.